So having made some points about Vista in the last day and also about IE7, there appears to be some common memes shared by the many commenters on both stories.
They amount to this:
1)
I like Firefox, Macs whatever so who cares?
Hmm, that’s interesting since if it were not for the massive legal battle between the US and EU govt and MS, neither Firefox nor Apple would exist today.
2)
Well, your wrong because MS will destroy the competition in their all powerfulness.
Yes, exactly. They did along time ago. For more on this call the CEOs of the Anti Virus companies which are suing MS right now over Vista.
3)
There’s nothing illegal about IE or any MS products!
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Oh boy!, yes, as long as there are no laws in this country about vertical distribution and market manipulation thats true. I’m so glad we got those antitrust laws off our chest!
So, it’s false. Here’s the story you never cared about.
And why MS insists that software in the form of IE…
A product which cost it millions to produce…doesn’t exist.
When Microsoft, flooded the market with “free” IE when Netscape was charging 10 bucks a pop for its product, it was the a classic anti-competitive move of a monopolist.
It is, IN FACT, ILLEGAL in the United States to dump 50 metric tons of steel or grade A beef on the marketplace FOR FREE.
Not illegal as in “We’ll sue you and we MIGHT win!”.
Illegal as in “the govt will take you to jail now.”
These laws were created during the industrial revolution. It was patently and obviously illegal after the anti-trust laws were passed explicitly to end this monopolistic practice.
But, many decades later, when a software company feels threatened, they can dump a “free” product that cost them millions to develop to effectively destroy the market for such a product and surely the competition…and then “own” the market that really “didnt matter to them so much”, hey thats cool!
Interestingly, that SAME company now wants to create a lockbox of software licensing multiple “products” which it insisted in the first place COULDN’T be separated.
There was a version of Internet Explorer for MAC, which didn’t require Windows, obviously. But somehow I downloaded IE7 (with the Vista Look and Feel) and installed it on Windows XP only to find that IE was a trojan stalking horse for WGA..Windows Genuine Advantage not IE Genuine Advantage.
So, does IE need Windows? or does Windows need IE? Considering I have used many OSs with neither IE or Windows installed and I have used Windows for years without ever using IE. Windows clearly doesnt need IE to function. And IE doesn’t need Windows to function.
What if I tried to install this on NT or Windows 2000 or Windows ME? Would it work? Well, if it did it would be nice of MS to make things backward compatible, but it would also make useless the argument that IE and any other tool is just a part of Windows we have to live with because it suits MS needs of putting companies out of business.
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MS reps lied under oath to many courts and judges and jurors to say that IE was not anti-competitive against Netscape because IE DOESN’T EXIST. Its just a feature of Windows that we CANT TAKE OUT.
Just like Media Player.
Windows had existed for years without a browser. And Browsers didn’t need Windows, clearly. Someone goofed and spent alot of money snowing the rest of us and the justice dept.
MS is punishing its admittedly dim fans of low-tech to defend itself from the mere accusation of being a monopolist. Vertical distribution has been illegal for a long time. Don’t you wonder why McAfee and Semantec are suing MS right now over Vista?
MS wants its user base to pay for what it perceives is “unfairness” by the govt with higher prices and stifling “security” tools which will put the blame on someone else once they turn these things off.
Clever, stupid and predictable.
October 23, 2006 at 3:57 am
I liked your story, though I think the anti-virus people really don’t have anything to worry about. It’s Microsoft…it’s bound to have AT LEAST 4000 security holes that’s gonna need fixing, and we’re gonna trust Bill Gate’s boys to do it for us in their own good time?
Me thinks not.
I think there will be plenty business for the anti-virus folks to share, even if they do have to radically change their software to run on Vista. By the way, why is MS just dying to develop a software package that requires at least 10 gigs of space just for the OS? Since when did our computers need to be able to sink the damn Titanic in order to get good OS’s? Personally, I’m all in favor of the Mozilla people developing their own Moz-indow’s like suite to compete with MS. Firefox has alread taken upwards of 10% of the market away from IE, and I don’t see IE7 changing that, any.
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October 23, 2006 at 4:35 am
Thanks for the compliment, you made a good point.
I guess what Im trying to say is that IE7 or Vista changes nothing, of course there are alternatives and I really dont lose sleep over MS machinations.
BUT, I am a software engineer, I have known people who personally recounted smackdown MS tactics that were patently illegal. Not end users. Huge corporate subcribers to MS who were preyed on.
When they finaly got their say in court. Apparently the justice dept could not understand their affect on the industry.
So in the antitrust sense, if any company dumped 1 or 100 tons of steel on the market, they would be locked up in short order.
But in software, its just the business of the day. We have laws concering this very thing, and these laws dont apply to software when the same anti-competitive goals are being used to achieve the same end.
Whether the end is achieved is moot. Firefox is free. Think if every Firefox developer got a share of 10 bucks a copy about the price netscape was going for. You like Firefox? Would you pay 10 frickin bucks? I would! So you can sit back in your easy chair and say well there are ALTERNATIVES…NOW
Yes, they are free and they HAVE to be free otherwise MS will give it away to put you out of business.
So you are worse than a pirated copy of Windows. You get your free software out of the idea that software has no value whatsoever.
October 23, 2006 at 5:09 am
So free software is illegal? That means Firefox and Opera are illegal? Does that also make open source illegal? So that means Linux is illegal?
October 23, 2006 at 5:40 am
It is in fact illegal in the united states for a factory to dump 1 single ton of steel on the open market for FREE.
I will leave it up to YOU to decide whether that applies to software.
Since the software cost as much to produce or even more than the steel.
And had the same anti-competitive reason to be DUMPED for free.
Then whats the diff? Fighting fire with fire will only ensure that the anti-competitive folks will win.
To compete, in a capitalist economy means to MAKE MONEY.
It does NOT mean to get the most hits on your website or the most downloads/ usage.
October 23, 2006 at 2:07 pm
It is funny to read you blog. You sound like commie to me with all your wining about “bad ms…”, “crappy ms…”, “… bla bla ms…”.
Have you tried to give it a break and do something real? If every move MS does is bad, why you just not ignore them? And your constant comparisons with X [metric]tons of steel are just ridiculous…
Giving away IE for free was bad? OK, then Firefox is even more illegal, isn’t it? How about StarOffice/OpenOffice? It costed Sun millions to develop? Java anyone? It was not costing $10 to Sun either?
Grow up. Half of open source software is financed by some companies, and ALL those companies are making losses with it.
October 24, 2006 at 6:49 pm
When MS IE become free it was illegal. Then Firefox is illegal too? No. MS has a great percentage of the OS market and IE was shiped in every copy of Windows. That’s why the antitrust laws come in.
February 16, 2007 at 7:53 am
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Are we safer today than we were before?
The more people that the government puts in jails, the safer we are told to think we are. The real terrorists are wherever they are, but they aren’t living in a country with bars on the windows. We are.
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